Turns out LENR is pathological science

Craig Binns, Jetmech, and the other skeptics got it right.

Or not.

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33 Responses to “Turns out LENR is pathological science”

  1. Roger Bird Says:

    LENR is a done deal. Whether Rossi or anyone else, at this point, is remains to be proven.

    • alaincoe Says:

      URGENT:
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      http://futureenergy.ultralightstartups.com/campaign/detail/861

      just need few hundred vote to win.

      For those doubting that LENR is real, I’ve made an article.
      Of course real arguments are in the papers, the peer reviewed papers, the CF review of ed Storms in Naturwissenschaften…
      but my article present how I’ve been convinced, and arguments that get ouf 1+1/2 of tech watch…

      http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?1122-Evidence-that-LENR-is-real

      For an executive summary about LENR, google translated from french:

      http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lenr-forum.com%2Fshowthread.php%3F1131-LENR-r%25E9sum%25E9-pour-d%25E9cideur%26p%3D3917%23post3917

      best regard and wait for your votes!

    • Greg Goble Says:

      OUR PATHS UNFURL

      Our paths unfurl behind us…
      Not as one is led to believe

      Like leaves swirling
      Behind a child’s footsteps

      Across an uncharted field
      In the fall season

      Leaving a trace
      Barely visible

      When next
      Passing

      gbgoble2011

      http://coldfusionnow.org/gallery/gregory-goble/our-paths-unfurl/

      Also a Cold Fusion LENR Powered Boeing 747 being developed by NASA.

      May 2012 NASA Contract NNL08AA16B – NNL11AA00T
      “Subsonic Ultra Green Aircraft Research – Phase II” – N+4 Advanced Concept Development”

      http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20120009038_2012008934.pdf

      “Even though we do not know the specific cost of the LENR itself, we assumed a cost of jet fuel at $4/gallon and weight based aircraft cost. We were able to calculate cost per mile for the LENR equipped aircraft compared to a conventional aircraft (Figure 3.2). Looking at the plots, one could select a point where the projected cost per mile is 33% less than a conventionally powered aircraft.”

      3.0 LENR Requirements Analysis …pg 24
      Figure 3.1 – Potential Heat Engines for LENR Systems ..pg 25
      Figure 3.2 – Parametric LENR and Heat Engine Performance Parameters …pg 25
      6.2.3 Low Energy Nuclear Reactor Technologies …pg 82
      Table 6.3 – LENR Technologies Success Criteria …pg 86
      Also pgs 15, 18, 19, 20, and 21.

      These are 39 of the folks who have been involved in this since May, 2011.

      Bradley, Marty (Boeing)
      Daggett, David (Boeing)
      Droney, Christopher(Boeing)
      Hoisington, Zachary (Boeing)
      Kirby, Michelle (GT)
      Murrow, Kurt (GE)
      Ran, Hongjun (GT)
      Nam, Teawoo (GT)
      Tai, Jimmy (GT)
      Hammel, Jeff (GE)
      Perullo, Chris (GT)
      Guynn, Mark (NASA)
      Olson, Erik (NASA)
      Leavitt, Larry (NASA)
      Allen, Timothy (Boeing)
      Cotes, Dwaine (Boeing)
      Guo, Yueping (Boeing)
      Foist, Brian (Boeing)
      Rawdon, Blaine (Boeing)
      Wakayama, Sean (Boeing)
      Dallara, Emily (Boeing)
      Kowalski, Ed (Boeing)
      Wat, Joe (Boeing)
      Robbana, Ismail (Boeing)
      Barmichev, Sergey (Boeing)
      Fink, Larry (Boeing)
      Sankrithi, Mithra (Boeing)
      White, Edward (Boeing)
      Gowda, Srini (GE)
      Brown, Gerald (NASA)
      Wahls, Richard (NASA)
      Wells, Doug (NASA)
      Jeffries, Rhett (FAA)
      Felder, James (NASA)
      Schetz, Joe (VT)
      Burley, Casey (NASA)
      Sequiera, Christopher (FAA)
      Martin, John (NASA)
      Kapania, Rakesh (VT)

      Maybe you could ask someone to interview a few of these guys… see what they have to say about the emerging LENR technology (popularly known as cold fusion).

      “Evolution Through Cold Fusion”

      http://coldfusionnow.org/evolution-through-cold-fusion/

      Thank you,

      Greg Goble Cold Fusion Now Org

  2. Simon Derricutt Says:

    Well, that’s one of the milestones passed – being taught at MIT has to confer a little bit of credibility.

    • brucefast Says:

      This is the second year the course has been put on. The first course, however, got shockingly little publicity. Virtually none of the content was made public.

      • Simon Derricutt Says:

        I had the impression that last year’s course was unofficial, maybe because it didn’t get any publicity. It certainly looks like this one is official, though.

        “Be aware that attending this course could damage your career” (may not have got the words exact) is an interesting way to introduce a course. Could also be, of course, that once the Wiki has caught up with the last couple of decades’ work, that it will be a very much sought-after qualification.

      • Roger Bird Says:

        I am looking forward to people realizing that Wikipedia is very conservative and is great for widely accepted facts, like the capital of Estonia, but for anything new or edgy, it is positively useless. I currently follow several edgy matters, including but not limited to near death experiences and the revolution in diet. I have never actually looked in Wikipedia about any of those edgy matters. I am hoping that the emergence of LENR will teach people to be a little more open minded and to think things through themselves.

      • brucefast Says:

        Roger, “I am hoping that the emergence of LENR will teach people to be a little more open minded and to think things through themselves.”

        I’m betting that early in the LENR revolution there will be a revisiting of many issues. I suspect that the fact that the almighty “science” will have proven to be wrong will cause a revisiting.

        I also suspect that it won’t be long before we discover that the vast majority of scientific opinion is actually correct. It won’t take long, I think, for science to reestablish itself as the great guru of all knowlege.

      • Roger Bird Says:

        People mustn’t confuse the scientific method with the scientific community or the body of scientific knowledge.

      • brucefast Says:

        Simon, I am pretty sure that this is the same status of course as last year: IAP, “non-credit” course (http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue101/mit.html)

    • Roger Bird Says:

      How about a lot of credibility? How about the game is over, and the reality of LENR won?

    • kwhilborn Says:

      The course was free and part of a program that allows teachers to teach hobbies.

  3. Greg Goble Says:

    LOVE – IMAGINE AS YOU WILL

    Love

    Imagine as you will…

    Everyone is an instrument in a symphony
    Each playing notes

    Some melodious
    others discordant
    Each ringing true

    At first and then less often…

    The harmonies
    are elusive
    Unreproducible

    Yet strongly sustained!
    Leaving us curious…

    When it is heard the composition is magnificent!

    Through keen observation over time
    Improvements
    are seen

    In the instrumentalists and their orchestration…

    This certainly heartens

    Good participation
    and virtuosity

    As it has in our friend
    Martin Fleischmann
    Thanks for everything

    Tears
    and
    All

    –gbgoble2012 In Honor of Martin Fleischmann

    “Please watch this twice… realize you are witnessing something beyond our present comprehension. During your second viewing, notice everyone says WOW and aahhh at the correct moment,,, Warsaw Science Fair – I love you! SHARE” gbgoble2012

    Imagine…

    The magnetic sled is supercooled by LENR… the track is stationary magnets requiring no power.

    Create a vacume evacuated tube, within it the track, magnetic powered propulsion… Launch payload. Every coupla’ hours… hmmm…

    • Roger Bird Says:

      I am crying profusely. My baby girl (young adult) is moving far away to be with her husband, and my heart is breaking.

      This is the sort of thing that LENR will have very little if any impact on. I suppose we could say that travel expenses would be much less and that might help.

      • Greg Goble Says:

        The boy and girl in the foreground of the picture above…
        The intensity of their concentration and delight. They may be pondering… imagining future travel will be very different.

        Yet the intensity of missing someone will never change, for this I am glad. My heart sings out with the strength of your discomfort, may it grow with the love you have for each other… may it never end. Being able to feel so deeply is the greatest gift we share.

        Thank You… for the loving works you do, we love you!

        Spirit

        Once again in wonder, a child whistles a refrain while sitting under a tree. Above him a bird tilts it’s head and joyfully warbles a response.

        On a distant mountain, a youth walks alone to the sacred peak. Arriving reflective of humanity life and wondering a part to play.

        A vision unfolds of all that has been and that which can be.
        Returns walking a path dedicated to the best for all throughout time.

        Elsewhere, an elder brings to fruition a dream that’s taken a lifetime. Another one watches and inspiration blossoms deep within.

        gbgoble2009

      • Roger Bird Says:

        Greg, I appreciate the depth of your understanding. You might like the poet Rumi. I believe that he is Persian.

      • gbgoble Says:

        Roger,

        Oops silly me.. the last line of “Sprit” I accidently omitted.
        After ‘deep within’ is the last verse…

        ‘In this spirit I give thanks… ‘

        Could you edit, replacing the other with this?

        Greg

        Spirit

        Once again in wonder, a child whistles a refrain while sitting under a tree. Above him a bird tilts it’s head and joyfully warbles a response.

        On a distant mountain, a youth walks alone to the sacred peak. Arriving reflective of humanity life and wondering a part to play.

        A vision unfolds of all that has been and that which can be. Returns walking a path dedicated to the best for all throughout time.

        Elsewhere, an elder brings to fruition a dream that’s taken a lifetime. Another one watches and inspiration blossoms deep within.

        In this spirit I give thanks…

        gbgoble2009

      • BruceFast Says:

        Roger, missing those who are dear to us is truly an expression of love. Sometimes love hurts.

        The invention that truly reduces the impact of such a move was that of Alexander Graham Bell. The internet (invented by Al Gore I hear) does quite a job itself.

        Travel costs will be reduced by LENR, but not all that much. There’s still the cost of the plane, the mechanical support, the flight crew, airport workers… Flying will not be free just because the fuel is free.

  4. brucefast Says:

    I will be in Vancouver this Friday. I am going to try to visit Defkalion when I am there. I’ll report my experience on a post here.

    That said, I will also be on vacation for the next 2+ weeks, so how rapidly I post stuff is a bit unsure.

    • Simon Derricutt Says:

      Have a good vacation, Bruce. I hope you can manage to get to see Defkalion, but if you’re shown anything it’ll probably be under NDA. Your opinions of how far they’ve got in getting a reliable system will be appreciated.

  5. Roger Bird Says:

    Your post doesn’t make any sense.

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    • Roger Bird Says:

      It is interesting the mindless drivel (really, not just people disagreeing with me, but actual mindless drivel) that these spammers post here. It is obvious that they are missing the opportunity to learn something exciting and important and they are missing the witnessing of history being made.

      • Simon Derricutt Says:

        Roger – I’m pretty certain that these are actually not human but spambots, just looking for somewhere that won’t automatically eject them. Note that the “My Web Page” is a clickable link, and possibly in this case if you click on it it will download some nasty software onto your machine. Some people must click on them, just to see what it is. Idle curiosity or a mistake, but can have bad consequences. Sometimes it’s just an objectionable form of advertising, but judging by the inanity it’s likely something worse. If you do happen to really want to click on the link, do so from a well-protected sandbox and not your standard computer that you use for everything else.

      • Craig Binns Says:

        Roger

        If these spambots can’t see history being made here, but just mindless drivel, I’m shocked! Shocked! They should all be reprogrammed at once and if that doesn’t work they should be irradiated with gamma rays from one of Mr Rossi’s energy machines until they fall to bits.

      • Roger Bird Says:

        I am glad that you are funny, Craig. It will help you when the reality of the E-Cat becomes sufficiently obvious to you that even you can no longer deny it.

    • BruceFast Says:

      Sorry for not catching the spam.

      • Roger Bird Says:

        You have to be Fast to catch the spam, I suppose.

        Bruce: “Oh, Roger, don’t be such a Bird brain with the pathetically weak play on names.”

  7. Roger Bird Says:

    I believe in the reality of voodoo, of thoughts and feelings having also an objective existence, and for thoughts and feelings to travel through space without words from person to person. Given that perspective, I imagine that morons who post this crap that I am responding to will have very messed up lives thanks to the hatred and irritation that they engender in other people. May they rot in hell for 1.43 years. (:->)

  8. Craig Binns Says:

    Phen

    Back on your meds at once!

  9. Roger Bird Says:

    Other than I think that pharmaceutical meds are counter productive in the long run, I again agree with Craig, hugely.

  10. Greg Goble Says:

    Why not say it’s time fpor some prose…

    Paths

    Our paths unfold behind us
    Not as one is led to believe

    Like leaves unfurling
    Behind a child’s footsteps

    While crossing an uncharted field
    In the fall season

    Leaving a trace
    Barely visable

    When next
    Passing

    gbgoble2011

    milesharingivesmilesharingivesmilesharingivesmilesharing

  11. Craig Binns Says:

    That’s really lovely Greg. If this blog is going to change from one about the implications of the imminent Rossi ecat, and become a forum for lyric poetry as beautiful as yours, I for one will be very happy. But we need to keep the spambots out!

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