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	<description>Exploring the technical, economic and social ramifications of Andrea Rossi&#039;s e-cat Cold Fusion reactor.</description>
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		<title>By: Greg Goble</title>
		<link>http://nickelpower.org/2013/01/11/pretty-optimistic-interview/#comment-18482</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Goble]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 06:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nuclear dense energy is required for long term manned space missions of the size and scope these folks propose. NASA states the energetics of LENR is the solution to missions planned yet unrealized.

During the past year these two competitors have emerged, my hunch is they are each licensees of NASA LENR technology.

Planetary Resources – The Asteroid Mining Company
www.planetaryresources.com/

Planetary Resources is establishing a new paradigm for resource discovery and utilization that will bring the solar system into humanity&#039;s sphere of influence.

Deep Space Industries Inc.
http://deepspaceindustries.com/mission/

Mission: It is time to begin the harvest of space.
The Earth is but a tiny and precious world floating in a sea of natural resources. The riches of the solar system offer humanity both unprecedented prosperity and an improved environment.  The resource potential of space outstrips that of any previous frontier - without the environmental impacts.
Asteroids are plentiful throughout the solar system. Many orbit close to the Earth and many of these carry vast deposits of resources ranging from water to metals such as iron, gold and platinum – everything we need to expand our civilization into space, to provide for our needs here at home and to increase the wealth of our planetary economy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nuclear dense energy is required for long term manned space missions of the size and scope these folks propose. NASA states the energetics of LENR is the solution to missions planned yet unrealized.</p>
<p>During the past year these two competitors have emerged, my hunch is they are each licensees of NASA LENR technology.</p>
<p>Planetary Resources – The Asteroid Mining Company<br />
<a href="http://www.planetaryresources.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.planetaryresources.com/</a></p>
<p>Planetary Resources is establishing a new paradigm for resource discovery and utilization that will bring the solar system into humanity&#8217;s sphere of influence.</p>
<p>Deep Space Industries Inc.<br />
<a href="http://deepspaceindustries.com/mission/" rel="nofollow">http://deepspaceindustries.com/mission/</a></p>
<p>Mission: It is time to begin the harvest of space.<br />
The Earth is but a tiny and precious world floating in a sea of natural resources. The riches of the solar system offer humanity both unprecedented prosperity and an improved environment.  The resource potential of space outstrips that of any previous frontier &#8211; without the environmental impacts.<br />
Asteroids are plentiful throughout the solar system. Many orbit close to the Earth and many of these carry vast deposits of resources ranging from water to metals such as iron, gold and platinum – everything we need to expand our civilization into space, to provide for our needs here at home and to increase the wealth of our planetary economy.</p>
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		<title>By: 2013: The Year of Cold Fusion &#124; BuildTheEnterprise</title>
		<link>http://nickelpower.org/2013/01/11/pretty-optimistic-interview/#comment-17909</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[2013: The Year of Cold Fusion &#124; BuildTheEnterprise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 15:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] And then there is the Enterprise, our spaceship. LENR technology could give a much safer nuclear power system for the Gen1 Enterprise. Concerns about a plutonium-filled Enterprise crashing back to Earth would be alleviated. Also, having a very hot heat source at the center of the nuclear power system is essential for helping to keep the size of the radiators within reason. Could the LENR devices run hot enough for the Enterprise, like the 1500 degrees C I assumed here? LENR researcher Dr. Luca Gamberale said recently: [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] And then there is the Enterprise, our spaceship. LENR technology could give a much safer nuclear power system for the Gen1 Enterprise. Concerns about a plutonium-filled Enterprise crashing back to Earth would be alleviated. Also, having a very hot heat source at the center of the nuclear power system is essential for helping to keep the size of the radiators within reason. Could the LENR devices run hot enough for the Enterprise, like the 1500 degrees C I assumed here? LENR researcher Dr. Luca Gamberale said recently: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: B Fast</title>
		<link>http://nickelpower.org/2013/01/11/pretty-optimistic-interview/#comment-17749</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[B Fast]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 00:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Iggy, you&#039;re probably right.  However, as Rossi claims to be very near to having an industrial solution, this wall shouldn&#039;t hold things back that long.

I, for one, would be happy to run my house on an LENR heater.  I&#039;d be happy to sign a release document if I could get my hands on one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iggy, you&#8217;re probably right.  However, as Rossi claims to be very near to having an industrial solution, this wall shouldn&#8217;t hold things back that long.</p>
<p>I, for one, would be happy to run my house on an LENR heater.  I&#8217;d be happy to sign a release document if I could get my hands on one.</p>
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		<title>By: Iggy Dalrymple</title>
		<link>http://nickelpower.org/2013/01/11/pretty-optimistic-interview/#comment-17683</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Iggy Dalrymple]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The biggest &quot;danger&quot; presented by LENR is not to life or limb, but to the vested interests of BigAcademia and BigEnergy.   They don&#039;t want immediate solutions.  An immediate solution put the &quot;March of Dimes&quot; out of business.  The prefer the elusive solution that&#039;s always 10 to 20 yr off.  &lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The greatest challenge to finding a cure for cancer right now may be what he describes as “the inherently conservative nature of today’s cancer research establishments.  And unless this changes, “curing cancer will always be 10 or 20 years away.” -  James Watson, co-discover of  the double-helix structure of DNA.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest &#8220;danger&#8221; presented by LENR is not to life or limb, but to the vested interests of BigAcademia and BigEnergy.   They don&#8217;t want immediate solutions.  An immediate solution put the &#8220;March of Dimes&#8221; out of business.  The prefer the elusive solution that&#8217;s always 10 to 20 yr off.<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;The greatest challenge to finding a cure for cancer right now may be what he describes as “the inherently conservative nature of today’s cancer research establishments.  And unless this changes, “curing cancer will always be 10 or 20 years away.” &#8211;  James Watson, co-discover of  the double-helix structure of DNA.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: brucefast</title>
		<link>http://nickelpower.org/2013/01/11/pretty-optimistic-interview/#comment-17682</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brucefast]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that someone took lesson from the invention of the x-ray machine.  No one thought to consider that x-rays would be poisonous.

When a science-bending technology pops up, the question of whether the x-ray foreshadows a similar &quot;unknown&quot; just ends up being asked.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that someone took lesson from the invention of the x-ray machine.  No one thought to consider that x-rays would be poisonous.</p>
<p>When a science-bending technology pops up, the question of whether the x-ray foreshadows a similar &#8220;unknown&#8221; just ends up being asked.</p>
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		<title>By: bbck7</title>
		<link>http://nickelpower.org/2013/01/11/pretty-optimistic-interview/#comment-17681</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bbck7]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simon......I agree from a logical point of view there is no problem, but a main difference is they know how a chain saw works, the screw ups are predictable, the liability is limited to those known factors.   They do not know how LENR works, therefore the the liability is not limited, very scary to a Risk Manager.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon&#8230;&#8230;I agree from a logical point of view there is no problem, but a main difference is they know how a chain saw works, the screw ups are predictable, the liability is limited to those known factors.   They do not know how LENR works, therefore the the liability is not limited, very scary to a Risk Manager.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Derricutt</title>
		<link>http://nickelpower.org/2013/01/11/pretty-optimistic-interview/#comment-17672</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Derricutt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bernie - I see the point, but if the reaction is well-contained, doesn&#039;t emit dangerous levels of radiation and is proved safe in meltdown then it shouldn&#039;t be that difficult. That&#039;s only 3 &quot;if&quot;s, and it looks like things should be OK on those.

We use a lot of things more dangerous, especially if used with stupidity. During the recent fuel crisis in the UK, a woman was taken to hospital with severe burns after transferring petrol from one can to another in her kitchen next to a lit stove. She should get the Darwin award, but it was a near-miss instead. My chainsaws have UL certificates as well as TüV ones, and they are really pretty scary if misused - fire hazard, maiming hazard and if you use the wrong fuel could explode. Plus a tree might drop on you....

Overall, either Rossi&#039;s or Defkalion&#039;s heaters should be safer than the alternatives - no chance of CO poisoning, for a start. Bring it on!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernie &#8211; I see the point, but if the reaction is well-contained, doesn&#8217;t emit dangerous levels of radiation and is proved safe in meltdown then it shouldn&#8217;t be that difficult. That&#8217;s only 3 &#8220;if&#8221;s, and it looks like things should be OK on those.</p>
<p>We use a lot of things more dangerous, especially if used with stupidity. During the recent fuel crisis in the UK, a woman was taken to hospital with severe burns after transferring petrol from one can to another in her kitchen next to a lit stove. She should get the Darwin award, but it was a near-miss instead. My chainsaws have UL certificates as well as TüV ones, and they are really pretty scary if misused &#8211; fire hazard, maiming hazard and if you use the wrong fuel could explode. Plus a tree might drop on you&#8230;.</p>
<p>Overall, either Rossi&#8217;s or Defkalion&#8217;s heaters should be safer than the alternatives &#8211; no chance of CO poisoning, for a start. Bring it on!</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie Koppenhofer</title>
		<link>http://nickelpower.org/2013/01/11/pretty-optimistic-interview/#comment-17657</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bernie Koppenhofer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 03:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simon.......UL certification for any LENR reactor is going to be very hard to get.  The liability for UL is just to great.  Industrial   reactors are the only way to go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon&#8230;&#8230;.UL certification for any LENR reactor is going to be very hard to get.  The liability for UL is just to great.  Industrial   reactors are the only way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Derricutt</title>
		<link>http://nickelpower.org/2013/01/11/pretty-optimistic-interview/#comment-17631</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Derricutt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I noticed a message from SVJ on Vortex, and it&#039;s so well written I&#039;ll point to it from here as well:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/message/45

A hint for monkeys - to get the cookie don&#039;t use the whole hand to grab, but a couple of fingers to tweeze it out. I&#039;m not sure if that applies to Rossi, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed a message from SVJ on Vortex, and it&#8217;s so well written I&#8217;ll point to it from here as well:<br />
<a href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/message/45" rel="nofollow">http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/message/45</a></p>
<p>A hint for monkeys &#8211; to get the cookie don&#8217;t use the whole hand to grab, but a couple of fingers to tweeze it out. I&#8217;m not sure if that applies to Rossi, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Derricutt</title>
		<link>http://nickelpower.org/2013/01/11/pretty-optimistic-interview/#comment-17629</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Derricutt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bernie - I think that what Defkalion actually got from Rossi was the knowledge that it was possible. Whatever information they got about what was in the powder didn&#039;t immediately give them a working product, since otherwise both of them would have produced something long before now.

Knowing something is possible (whether justified knowledge or not) leads to directed research to make it work better. Probably why Rossi has done as much as possible to appear to not have anything at all - it makes competition less likely. So what I think Defkalion got was &quot;this sometimes works&quot; and they have put a lot of work into trying to get to &quot;this always works&quot;. I think they&#039;ve succeeded.

At the time they reportedly got that data, they were very much linked in to Rossi and were AFAIK going to be backing him to get it developed. Details of this are not clear and are most likely contested, but that&#039;s what I gather. As such they had a right to that information, as part of due diligence in setting up a business deal. Again that could be and probably is contested, but if they had continued to work together that knowledge would have benefited them all (and us). Once you know something, though, you can&#039;t un-know it if the business deals fall through.

We could argue a while on believability and end up nowhere. Hopefully one of them will get a product to UL or equivalent and my bet at the moment is that Defkalion have a better chance of doing that first.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernie &#8211; I think that what Defkalion actually got from Rossi was the knowledge that it was possible. Whatever information they got about what was in the powder didn&#8217;t immediately give them a working product, since otherwise both of them would have produced something long before now.</p>
<p>Knowing something is possible (whether justified knowledge or not) leads to directed research to make it work better. Probably why Rossi has done as much as possible to appear to not have anything at all &#8211; it makes competition less likely. So what I think Defkalion got was &#8220;this sometimes works&#8221; and they have put a lot of work into trying to get to &#8220;this always works&#8221;. I think they&#8217;ve succeeded.</p>
<p>At the time they reportedly got that data, they were very much linked in to Rossi and were AFAIK going to be backing him to get it developed. Details of this are not clear and are most likely contested, but that&#8217;s what I gather. As such they had a right to that information, as part of due diligence in setting up a business deal. Again that could be and probably is contested, but if they had continued to work together that knowledge would have benefited them all (and us). Once you know something, though, you can&#8217;t un-know it if the business deals fall through.</p>
<p>We could argue a while on believability and end up nowhere. Hopefully one of them will get a product to UL or equivalent and my bet at the moment is that Defkalion have a better chance of doing that first.</p>
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