What is bugging Dr. Bushnell

Stirling Allen put me on to this video:

In this video James Martinez reports on a conversation with Dr. Bushnell.  Let me try to quote the necessary parts:

Mr. Martinez said, “Listen, I’d like to invite you to this [LENR conference, video production?].  Can you come over, we’d love to have you.”

Dr Bushnell apparently responds, “We’ve got seal teams on the east coast, and we’ve got seal teams on the west coast.  And what I’m about to tell you, if you even mention it, you’re finished.”

Dr. Bushnell then apparently rants about the science etc.  He then continues with, “there’s explosions in the lab” and this and that.

Mr. Martinez interprets this reaction from Dr. Bushnell as an attempt on his part to own LENR, and to not let anyone else play in his sandbox.

I propose a different interpretation:

I believe that someone has ordered Bushnell to shut up about LENR.  But why?

I know of only two good reasons to keep LENR quiet.    The scientific community may want it kept quiet to protect it from having to admit that they were wrong about Pons and Fleischmann, that they covered up the truth of LENR 20 years ago.

I think, however, that the reason that Pons and Fleischmann were rejected 20 years ago is the same reason that Bushnell is hiding from the seals now.  However, now the situation is much worse.

When LENR enters the scene it will be an economic revolution.  However, that revolution will begin with economic challenges far before the economic benefits appear.    The day LENR gets heard above the noise, production of all long term energy infrastructure will come to a screeching halt.  Why would you want to build a pipeline, a hydroelectric dam, or a windmill farm if your product will become obsolete in 10 to 20 years?  The price of oil will drop, increasing demand.  Why, after all, would you want to leave your product in the ground if you can sell it now, but won’t be able to sell it later.  With the price of oil going down, but the availability of oil’s end products not going up (no new refineries will be built), the benefits of the difference will only go to a few.  Society’s ability to consume the product will be limited by the infrastructure.  Oil production dependent nations are going to freak!  Many of these nations are staunch Muslims. Having a bunch of Muslim nations freaked out might not be good.  (Now I know that not all Muslims are violent, but there certainly is a reasonably large subset that are.)

We live in tenuous times.  The American national debt, 16+ trillion, and deficit 1 trillion/year plus is tenuous at best.  Yesterday there were general strikes in most of the European nations.  And Japan has a 200% debt to GDP ratio.  If LENR’s arrival will rock the economic boat even a little (and it will do so by a lot) it will cause the mighty house of cards to come tumbling down.

However, this house of cards will tumble down anyway.  I say that today is a good day for it to die.

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38 Responses to “What is bugging Dr. Bushnell”

  1. Roger Bird Says:

    1. This could be untrue. 2. Dr. Bushnell has not been getting enough sleep. 3. Dr. Bushnell was told to shut up. 4. Dr. Bushnell was having a minor nervous breakdown. 5. Dr. Bushnell is some sort of a bad person. 6. Other.

    Any of the above.

  2. Simon Derricutt Says:

    Bruce, although it’s going to shake things up, I can’t see a major drop in energy prices as bad for the West. Oil-producing countries already limit their outputs to keep the prices high, but the oil will still be needed as the base for plastics. The oil market won’t go away quickly or completely, but it won’t be the hydraulic despotism it is now. Removing the flow of money into those oil-producing nations will reduce the amount of armaments they can buy, and thus also what damage they can do.

    There will be new jobs in producing the new LENR-based energy devices, but the older energy suppliers will need to be a bit nimble in re-orienting their businesses.

    It’s going to take a few years in the changeover – should be long enough for a modern business to adapt. Could be that crash won’t come.

    • Gregory Goble Says:

      Please advise,

      Large holders of stock in the present day energy economy will lose.

      Please be advised that school district, city, county, state, and federal pension fund managers should be aware of impending stock failures due to engineered LENR power.

      Also, individuals may want to sell now… or sell short; if their sense suggests it, or as they see breaking news. I do not know stocks at all and am absolutely unqualified to give advise yet, I sense this is one ‘collapse’ that we won’t be inclined to ‘bail out’. Oil, coal, and U238 nuclear futures may just now be risky, at best. I do not really know, my gut tells me so.

      • Brad Arnold Says:

        Mr Goble,

        I would strongly advise you to not offer any investment advice based upon the emergence of LENR. Particularly, the sell now/sell short variety of financial advice.

        I have a number of reason for offering this advice to you, but the main one is that even if you are correct and LENR will be high disruptive and will be emerging soon, the effects upon stocks/bonds/investments is unclear at best, and at worst completely and utterly wrong.

        Instead, let me provide you with an alternate scenario: that LENR and lower energy costs will rise all boats, and that it will be the best thing to happen to the economy since the Haber process. I mean I wouldn’t have advised people to sell now/sell short their farm assets because the technology to turn natural gas into fertilizer will be highly disruptive to the agricultural sector.

      • Greg Goble Says:

        I take your advise Brad, so as to clarify. Thanks.
        Like I said, I do not know stocks at all… to be advised is certainly a consideration of ignorance… of which I am ignorant in regards to investments… please be so advised.
        I just wish more were less ignorant of cold fusion,,, ///////////right now.

  3. dobermantmacleod Says:

    LENR is simply too simple a technology to be able to stifle, regardless if it is some hot fusion scientist at MIT, or the oligarchy trying to maintain their stranglehold on our energy market. It is highly disruptive, no duh, but things are changing more and more rapidly anyway, so any attempt to stand still will be futile.

    BTW, I’ve been circulating this quote by Bushnell very widely, hope he isn’t getting a lot of sh*t about it: “Over 2 decades with over 100 experiments worldwide indicate LENR is real, much greater than chemical…” –Dennis M. Bushnell, Chief Scientist, NASA Langley Research Center

    Man, the LENR train is getting ready to leave the station, and the natives are restless. It is like the wild west out there.

  4. Greg Goble Says:

    Bushnell is “holding his cards close to his chest”. His saying that this is “not a narrow band set of physical phenomenon” is a clue that this energy will erupt all over with many unique devices emerging.

    The race to cold fusion is on. Any NASA patent, including LENR power technology, must be offered to industry (presently through the NASA Technology Gateway).

    Companies in partnership developing the technology get first consideration; look to GE, Boeing, and other companies involved in developing the LENR powered Boeing 747.

    This is a news tip for you about a Cold Fusion LENR Powered Boeing 747 being developed by NASA.

    May 2012 NASA Contract NNL08AA16B – NNL11AA00T
    “Subsonic Ultra Green Aircraft Research – Phase II” – N+4 Advanced Concept Development

    “Even though we do not know the specific cost of the LENR itself, we assumed a cost of jet fuel at $4/gallon and weight based aircraft cost. We were able to calculate cost per mile for the LENR equipped aircraft compared to a conventional aircraft (Figure 3.2). Looking at the plots, one could select a point where the projected cost per mile is 33% less than a conventionally powered aircraft.”

    3.0 LENR Requirements Analysis …pg 24
    Figure 3.1 – Potential Heat Engines for LENR Systems ..pg 25
    Figure 3.2 – Parametric LENR and Heat Engine Performance Parameters ..pg 25
    6.2.3 Low Energy Nuclear Reactor Technologies ……pg 82
    Table 6.3 – LENR Technologies Success Criteria …….pg 86
    Also pgs 15, 18, 19, 20, and 21.

    These are the 39 folks who have been
    involved in this since May, 2011

    Bradley, Marty (Boeing)
    Daggett, David (Boeing)
    Droney, Christopher(Boeing)
    Hoisington, Zachary (Boeing)
    Kirby, Michelle (GT)
    Murrow, Kurt (GE)
    Ran, Hongjun (GT)
    Nam, Teawoo (GT)
    Tai, Jimmy (GT)
    Hammel, Jeff (GE)
    Perullo, Chris (GT)
    Guynn, Mark (NASA)
    Olson, Erik (NASA)
    Leavitt, Larry (NASA)
    Allen, Timothy (Boeing)
    Cotes, Dwaine (Boeing)
    Guo, Yueping (Boeing)
    Foist, Brian (Boeing)
    Rawdon, Blaine (Boeing)
    Wakayama, Sean (Boeing)
    Dallara, Emily (Boeing)
    Kowalski, Ed (Boeing)
    Wat, Joe (Boeing)
    Robbana, Ismail (Boeing)
    Barmichev, Sergey (Boeing)
    Fink, Larry (Boeing)
    Sankrithi, Mithra (Boeing)
    White, Edward (Boeing)
    Gowda, Srini (GE)
    Brown, Gerald (NASA)
    Wahls, Richard (NASA)
    Wells, Doug (NASA)
    Jeffries, Rhett (FAA)
    Felder, James (NASA)
    Schetz, Joe (VT)
    Burley, Casey (NASA)
    Sequiera, Christopher (FAA)
    Martin, John (NASA)
    Kapania, Rakesh (VT)

  5. Bob Says:

    The link by Greg was most interesting. Sure looks like the NASA/Boeing folks have taken a hard look at LENR. For junk science they sure have spent resources.

    The video by James Martinez was most enlightening, not only for Bushnrell’s behavior, but more for the revelation of the group that will be giving it free to the world, now that’s exciting!

    • Roger Bird Says:

      Please, Bob, don’t judge until you know the facts. How many times people have falsely accused me of something I can’t really count.

    • Greg Goble Says:

      JUNK… Bob you must be kidding.

      • Greg Goble Says:

        From the Gallery

        Cold Fusion/ LENR is…

        Like an ocean wave that is peaceful and powerful!

        Never suffer fools who try to disrupt Its’ path…

        Unaffected by any such things as that

        It will roll on and on and on…

        Effortlessly and endlessly

        Frothy and foaming

        And bubbling…

        Silent energy

        In Its’


        Cold Fusion Now



      • Gregory Goble Says:

        The folks at NASA have the honor of holding the title of ‘chief skeptics’, they are the ‘shizmits’ of those who state that they grasp our present day understanding of physics.

        Due to their deep insight into the knowledge of physics and science, NASA understands when an ‘art of science’ progresses beyond the ‘cutting edge research’ phase and enters the “research and engineering’ phase. Cold fusion LENR science has just done that.

        Ask NASA.

      • Bob Says:

        I don’t call it Junk Science, the Main Stream Media refers to it that way, me I’m a believer. Just meant that corporate America that seems to deny Cold Fusion, sure seems to be spending time and energy.

      • Greg Goble Says:

        My missunderstanding now makes me laugh. Bob I hope you and all of your’n hope you enjoy this bit of prose…
        Weather Driven Laughter
        I am so glad!

        That the weather

        driven waves of


        Still. sh.. shhh…

        Crash upon your shore.

        Laughter crests


        Illuminating Bubbles



        The top!

        Gently it then








        Sands of…


  6. Brad Arnold Says:

    I am very interested in Bushnell’s reaction because it may shed light on what is going on behind the curtain. Humanity is at a critical point, where a silver bullet energy technology is about to emerge. How are the powers that be planning to cope with it, or are they even more than dimly aware of the coming change of paradigm? Frankly, I’m not sure why NASA is the focus, because the obvious next step in LENR emergence is either a market ready LENR reactor, or an open sourced LENR reactor. If I had to guess I would say Bushnell was severely provoked, and listening to the second hand report of the conversation I would say it hasn’t been fairly reported either. OTH, it may be Bushnell is under pressure, partly because LENR is a sensitive subject, and partly because an inevitable (and irritating) consequence of LENR emerging is that there is going to be literally thousands of businesses started to exploit it that are going to fail. Most the people couldn’t find their way around a Physics 1001 class, but they will of course follow the LENR gold rush, as the same type of people ran half-cocked to dig gold in Alaska/northern Canada, with the same disastrous results.

  7. drboblog Says:

    Information & Technology Can Solve All our Problems

    I am not suggesting that Mr James Martinez is not telling the truth.
    Pumping oil is also dangerous, or wielding platforms at sea.
    Personally I would like to hope that it is all a misunderstanding.

    However, If Mr Martinez think this is a legitimate threat then there are some options he can use to efficiently defend himself.

    A quick search on google shows that “the seals” worst enemies are polar bears, killer wales, sharks, dolphins and other seals.

    He should just keep a few of these around him at all times as body guards and he will be all right.

    Peace Out

  8. Greg Goble Says:

    Please consider this… as a gift for friends.


    • drboblog Says:

      Now there is easier then ever to produce hydrogen gas for you home built lenr reactor.

      Anyone can do this at home without the use of hard to fine ionizer for LESS THAN 1 EURO


      Accelerating science.

      • Simon Derricutt Says:

        Producing mixed H2 and O2 – not useful.

      • drboblog Says:

        Dear Mr Derricutt

        All you need to do is to putt a pencil cap over the anode to extrapolate / separate the Hydrogen Gas. If you don’t believe me, try it!

        You could use for example a test tube, hold it over the anode for a few minutes, carefully raise the test tube that is now filled with the explosive gas and gently set it on fire. You will now see a quite violent chemical reaction.

        Remember!!! You only need very little Hydrogen Gas to create the LENR effect!


        Accelerating Science.

      • Roger Bird Says:

        Simon, are you sure? How do we know at this point if the hydrogen has to be pure. Perhaps not. Perhaps O2 racing around might screw of the works. We don’t know yet. In fact, the O2 racing around might even help, for all we know.

      • Simon Derricutt Says:

        Roger – it’s an explosive (and implosive) mix, so any spark you put in gives you a bang (rapid high pressure then lower than when you started, if the kit is still gas-tight). It’s better to leave the Oxygen out. There are bound to be some impurities, but hopefully Oxygen won’t be one of them. It’s a better idea to have each electrode in an inverted bottle and collect the gases separately. His choice of electrolyte may not be the most tasteful, but it’s at least a valid use. I just use Sodium Carbonate (washing soda) since it’s good enough.

        Dr. Bob may actually be running valid experiments, but in this case I think he was taking the p**s….

      • Roger Bird Says:

        I forgot about the chemistry. Of course, it’s going to explode, then implode, and what a mess that would be.

  9. Greg Goble Says:

    Search science.gov LENR

    Mr. Bushnell Has been pondering LENR for quite some time….

    “Futures of Space Technology – Frontiers of the Responsibly Imaginable”

    Dennis M. Bushnell
    Chief Scientist NASA Langley Research Center 2006

    LENR in about the 5th slide.

    We can be one of the “responsibly imaginable” folks.

    Imagine Bushnell implying by his comment that we have ‘trained’ seals’ on the east coast and ‘trained seals’ on the west coast. Someone’s ‘trained seal’ is one that lies or speaks the words put in their mouth by others.

    Go figure…

    Like cold fusion is not the real deal, or an appropriate popular monicker for LENR power and engineering. Really now, who is quibbling? Not Dennis and James… feeling a few birthing pains perhaps? That’s OK… trust me.

  10. Greg Goble Says:

    As depression nibbled at my toes, I realized that everyone is experiencing the same heavy heart when living with a shortage of energy and money and love (energy=money=love). The wave of compassion that washed over me left me giddy, I laughed, I cried < then I glimpsed our manic depressive side… and smiled. From the top of my head, and through and through, I knew that there is an abundance of energy all around us (never lost always changing form).

    There is more than enough energy, money, love, and sustenance for everyone. This thought, this realization, is keyed to our sociobiology, our evolution. Our strong survival instinct is now evolving to include each of each other and all life on the planet as a whole.

    As king of the skeptics (on par with NASA), I realize and have witnessed the power of belief and faith… as that which moves us beyond our 'present predicament'; which is usually based upon false suppositions (often held in place by ourselves or others). Is the world flat… No. Can we fly… Yes. Simple as that… reality changes. I believe the world is round… and have the faith to prove it so. I believe we can fly (birds and bees do it) and have the faith, and perseverance, and we finally proved it to be so. Such is the strength of belief and faith; strong medicine… good medicine… if you can brew it properly, in truth and with science.

    The greatest thing about the economics of cold fusion LENR power is that it is cheap, really… really… really… cheap, cheap, cheap! It will quickly replace all sources of energy; because cold fusion LENR makes them unprofitable. Economics proves that a superior product at a fraction of the cost kills all competition, quickly.
    The next greatest thing about cold fusion comes in three parts:
    1) LENR power is ultra, ultra-clean.
    2) It replaces the industries which desecrate our planet the most (carbon and uranium fuels).
    3) The third greatest thing about cold fusion LENR power is it energizes the battle to save the Earth; which will be won through environmental restoration projects undertaken on a scale never seen before.

    Obama's War on Nucler Power

    • Simon Derricutt Says:

      Greg – I agree with most of your post, but it looks like you believe that CO2 is bad for the planet. It isn’t – it’s what the plants feed on and if it goes too low then we’ll starve to death. As regards the greenhouse effect, it really doesn’t apply in a gas without barriers – hot gas rises, then radiates the heat more to space. Being against CO2 is a bit like trying to ban H2O because it’s a chemical additive to our food. The main arguments I see against burning oil is that we have to buy it from people who are not our friends, and also that it is a pollutant. As regards Global Warming through CO2 being too high, you’ll see that it’s wrong within a decade, I think, as we shiver our way through a cold cycle.

      Energy too cheap to meter, like internet on cable (pay a connection fee only) will be a massive benefit to all of us.

      • Roger Bird Says:

        Simon, don’t forget to mention that oil and coal are also finite, most likely, and force us into centralized energy systems.

        Anything else I missed?

      • Greg Goble Says:

        Thank you,

        Sorry, getting off subjct a bit. I’ve enjoyed this lecture over tea a few times. Of course during the carbiniferous era, with volcanoes going off all over the place, the atmosphere was even worse for life as we know it now. It amazes me the accuracy of measurements of gases, the implications, and what not.

        Climate Change: Human Causes and Responses

        Published on Feb 16, 2012 by UCtelevision
        Ralph Cicerone is president of the National Academy of Sciences and chair of the National Research Council. His research in atmospheric chemistry and climate change has involved him in shaping science and environmental policy at the highest levels nationally and internationally. Series: “The UC Davis Chancellor’s Colloquium Series”

      • Bob Says:

        The climate data shows that we have had no temperature rise in 16 years and most indicators and cycle trends indicate that there is a stronger possibility of a pretty strong cold trend for a while.
        Most data now tends to show the sun cycles and sun spots as being the dominant driver of temperature on earth. There is even new evidence that we are greatly affected by the cosmic rays that hit us in very bursts.
        To me the data clearly indicates that mans affect on the climate is very small.
        Its all about the money, carbon credits and research money.

      • Roger Bird Says:

        For those who want to stop being stupid about man-made global warming, I suggest, which I am reading right this minute: http://www.middlebury.net/op-ed/global-warming-01.html#top

        It is as clear as a bell. I think that even a hysteric can follow it.

      • Simon Derricutt Says:

        Where an oil well has been drained using the older technology, it has been found that around a third of the actual oil there still remains. Oil companies using modern techniques can get a lot more oil out of that “dry” well than used to be possible. Another new technique is also to drill deeper, and it has been found that there can be more oil at a deeper level that theory says shouldn’t be there, but it is. It is unlikely that we would run out of the stuff for a couple of centuries at least. Coal mining is in most countries a dying industry not because the coal isn’t there but that it is pretty polluting and it’s cheaper to import it. Natural gas is in many forms and the quantities available are massive. Ceasing to use fossil fuels is thus a political and pollution issue, and not because it’s going to run out anytime soon.

        The famous “hockey stick” graph of average world temperature is based on misinterpretation of the data. More of the temperature-measuring stations are now in airport heat-islands, so the average temperature measured has gone up. Take any station with continuous records over the last 100 years, where the conditions (open countryside, no buuld-up of airports or housing or tarmac around it) and you’ll see that the temperature there has not changed massively. Simply put, AGW is based upon bad science.

        I look forward to some form of Nearly-Free energy as something that will reduce the cost of living for everyone and raise the living-standards of the vast majority of the human race. That’s worth spending time researching. Even better if we can get individual homes off the grid since the grid is an accident waiting to happen, as can be seen from the problems after Hurricane Sandy. LENR in its various forms has the promise of small units capable of powering a house or a car, thus making a vast improvement to the resilience of the energy supply that we’ve come to depend on in modern life.

      • Roger Bird Says:

        The hockey stick graph is the scientific equivalent of the spoor of the male bovine: http://www.middlebury.net/op-ed/global-warming-01.html#top

        An algorythm used to assist Michael Mann to create the graph massaged the data so badly that someone named McIntyre put in random data and produced the same hockey stick graph.

  11. Bob Says:

    Here is a translated link from a Greek newspaper article about Defkalion. Some interesting info. I hope the link works.


    • Roger Bird Says:

      Google translate isn’t all that great, but I got the message. Part of the message is that a left leaning government, including those not yet in trouble, impeds technological progress. They do it one way or the other, either with excessive regulations or a failing economy, or other ways.

  12. Iggy Dalrymple Says:

    Simon wrote, “Oil companies using modern techniques can get a lot more oil out of that “dry” well than used to be possible. Another new technique is also to drill deeper, and it has been found that there can be more oil at a deeper level that theory says shouldn’t be there, but it is.”

    About 6 months ago I had a long conversation with an old “roustabout”, a retired oil rig worker, retired from Zapata Offshore, George Bush’s (the elder) company. No, he didn’t know the Bushes but he had nothing but nice things to say about the company. He said it had the highest pay, the best benefits, and the most time off.

    He went on to tell an interesting story that may have explained the secret to Zapata’s riches. He told about an old alcoholic geologist that had a unique theory about how deep to drill. The conventional wisdom was to drill no deeper than “when time began”…..meaning to stop drilling when the drill cores revealed no more fossil evidence. This was based on the idea that all oil was the product of fossil decay. The old geologist argued that geo-strata, over the eons, had been subjected to periodic cataclysmic upheaval….turning the oil bearing strata upside down. He begged all the wildcatters to drill 500 to 1,000 feet beneath “when time began”. Only one producer listened, George Bush. Bush drilled deeper and soon started hitting paydirt. Bush kept his secret and started buying up abandoned drill sites, cheap. He was able to use the old drill shafts and only had to drill a little further. Thus the alleged story behind behind the Bush dynasty.

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