A method of retrofitting existing cars to LENR technology

This technology is too much fun: http://www.treehugger.com/clean-technology/scientists-make-gas-air.html

What a concept.  We can use virtually free LENR energy to produce gasoline to use in existing cars.

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52 Responses to “A method of retrofitting existing cars to LENR technology”

  1. Roger Bird Says:

    I wonder what the COP is. We should have a game to see who can guess the closest. I guess .03.

    I also wonder if these people know about LENR.

  2. Simon Derricutt Says:

    You’re right – with Nearly Free Energy this would be commercial.

    I’d point out, though, that the theory “Global Warming is caused by burning oil” just doesn’t stand up despite being accepted by governments all over the place. Historically, a rise in global temperature has been _followed_ by a rise in the CO2 levels, and the current level is not too high – at 200ppm it would be pretty near starvation-level for growing plants. That means that if we did get it down to that level we’d have problems growing enough food. It looks more like the variations in the Sun’s output are causing the variations in global temperature, and our efforts have been really very tiny in comparison.

    The main advantage of the technology is that it stores energy in an easily-usable form, which we are good at handling and doesn’t take up much room. If renewable energy wasn’t so expensive it would be good as a way to store it when there is excess and release it when needed. There’s no data on the conversion efficiency of the process, but again that wouldn’t matter so much with LENR driving it.

    • Roger Bird Says:

      Simon, I am glad that you have finally seen the light. What you said is exactly why I have been a AGW denier for years. The rise in CO2 came after the rise in temperature. AGW proponents think that I am being paid by the oil companies; but in fact I am being driven by the evidence. Plant growth will increase because of CO2 increases and will absorb the excess CO2. It will never get dangerously high.

      • Simon Derricutt Says:

        Roger – I saw the light a while back. For a long time I just accepted the general meme, having not seen or analysed the figures but just accepting that such prestigious organisations as IPCC really should have the science right. Plus I’ve seen changes in my lifetime. It’s pretty obvious when you actually look at the data that it just ain’t so. There are various multi-decade and multi-century cycles in temperature naturally, and as you point out things will grow so much better with more CO2 that it’s got negative feedback in the loop anyway. The IPCC models have a built-in positive feedback – they are bound to show catastrophe.

        LENR won’t save the world from Global Warming – it doesn’t need saving from that. What it will do, though, is give us a cleaner world where things are just so much cheaper than they are. That would be very good.

      • Roger Bird Says:

        Simon, my wife works with neurologically damaged high schoolers. [called special needs or challenged or special ed or some other politically correct phrase. They are basket cases.] I count that most of that damage is due to pollution in our food, air, water, soil over generations. LENR will help a lot. If you really project yourself out to a neurologically damaged child and try to imagine what it would be like to be that person, it seems like such a horror. LENR will help stop this madness.

      • Simon Derricutt Says:

        Roger – your wife is indeed a saint – and she puts up with you…. Not a job I could do. (Either of them!)

        It’s hard to tell whether such damaged children are a result of the pollution or lack of some trace elements/vitamins that the modern production methods produce, or whether we are just more aware of these problems rather than the unfortunate people being locked away in a Bedlam somewhere. It would in some ways be nice to know that we have caused it so that we can fix it. I suspect that LENR may solve a few problems we currently have either no data on or crackpot data – for example the tales of depression and child leukaemia that are said to cluster along grid lines and power stations.

      • Iggy Dalrymple Says:

        Roger, I agree with Simon that your wife is to be commended. I concur that some congenital defects result from pollution….probably more from chemicals used in food production and processing. Some result from natural occurrence that generations ago would have died soon after birth but now survive because of modern medicine. Some are the result of poor nutrition and poor lifestyle by the expectant parents. Some afflictions are cause by delayed child-bearing (older parents) resulting from damaged genes. For instance autism is more common when the child is sired by an older father. Fathers with advanced technical degrees also are more apt to sire autistic children. Parents who are deficient in vitamin D are also more apt to have autistic children. Modern lifestyle (staying inside at TV &/or computer) results in vit D deficiency. Autistic children are often vit D deficient and can sometimes be cured by correcting their vit D deficiency. Autism, multiple sclerosis, and rickets are related to lack of sunshine (vt D).

  3. Iggy Dalrymple Says:

    I believe that onboard LENR/steam power is more likely.

    • Roger Bird Says:

      I agree with Iggy Dalrymple. The most direct path will be the best and most likely path.

    • kwhilborn Says:

      Hydrogen can also run a gas engine.

      There are 2 main types of cars on the road at present.
      a) gas
      b) electric.

      Creating gas or hydrogen on board would allow gas cars/trucks to run with cheap conversion kits.

      Creating electricity on board is also feasible,

      Steam power cars would take 10 years to engineer and bring to market.

      Would a steam car go when you put your foot down or would it require 20 minutes to heat up before you left your driveway?

      There are speed issues surrounding steam power as well.

      I am not saying steam will never happen, but for now I think creating electricity/hydrogen on board would be more logical.

      • Iggy Dalrymple Says:

        “Would a steam car go when you put your foot down or would it require 20 minutes to heat up before you left your driveway?”

        With nearly free heat, the engine could stay preheated around the clock.

      • Roger Bird Says:

        But wouldn’t permanent heat age the engine faster?

      • Iggy Dalrymple Says:

        I believe Rossi is downplaying automotive LENR to keep BigOil off his case.

      • Roger Bird Says:

        Could be.

      • Iggy Dalrymple Says:

        “But wouldn’t permanent heat age the engine faster?”

        I don’t see why static heat would would degrade the engine. There would be no friction. The controller could cycle the reactor on and off as necessary to maintain sufficient locomotive steam pressure. If CO2 was the working fluid/gas the temperature could be lower.

      • kwhilborn Says:

        Yet Hydrogen can run in a gas engine without much fuss, and electric cars would also be fast, efficient, and quiet.

        If this energy is abundant enough to run 24 hours a day in a noisy steam version, then you must concede the above 2 options are also viable despite energy lost converting.

        There are new methods becoming available to lower lost energy during conversion.

        Hydrogen and electric vehicles are already on our highways, and Steam Engines would require decades of Engineering to make something road worthy. Not only would the Engine need adapting and perfecting, but the automotive plants themselves would need to be refitted to deliver steam engines.

      • brucefast Says:

        Kwhilborn, to generate electricity from LENR, you need a heat engine (steam, stirling). To generate hydrogen from LENR you need electricity, which requires a heat engine.

        Both hydrogen and electricity have serious storage problem issues. With neither do you get a reasonably good range, more than a hundred miles or so, before having to refuel.

        The steam or stirling on board solution allows for a near infinite range (refuel once every 6 months.)

        Additionally, when you describe steam as “noisy”, it shows that you don’t have a clear picture of modern steam. You are right that steam will take some amount of engineering and retooling. However, until LENR is on board, gasoline will rule.

  4. sven Says:

    In Iceland, a company called Carbon Recycling International has already established a plant that captures CO2 from geothermal drill-holes and changes it into Methanol that can then be used as fuel. See http://www.carbonrecycling.is/ Adding LENR power to the equation, this technology could be used in large scale to capture natural CO2 sources to produce fuel for planes and cars.

    • Iggy Dalrymple Says:

      Sven, is the geothermal produced methanol competitive with imported petro-fuel?

      Your link states that oil in the US costs $4/gal, $8/gal after taxes. They must be using something other than US dollars.

  5. Jonathan Says:

    Some scientists in England have invented a process that uses electricity to convert water and CO2 to petrol. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20003704

    Hook one of these up to an e-cat electric generator, and you can continue to use your existing car. I think people will do that even if the alternatives are cheaper, and the alternatives probably won’t be cheaper, because ignoring all the issues about running costs, internal combustion engines are the best way to power a car.

  6. Dr Muhammad Sarfraz Abbasi Says:

    LENR Hydrogen Car is already running in Murree,Pakistan Since May 9,2012.Which has completed 18000KM so far.The Toyota Landcruiser Prado makes its own fuel on board.

  7. Craig Binns Says:

    Dr Abbasi

    Are you sure about that? How does the alleged LENR process produce hydrogen?

    • Roger Bird Says:

      Craig is back. Craig, just because Rossi is suspiciously slow with real, verifiable results does not mean that LENR is “alleged”. It has been verified numerous times. But, of course, it will not be verified for you unless you look at the evidence. Are you still such a psychotic that you refuse the look at Celani, MIT, CalTech, NASA, etc., etc, etc?

    • Dr Muhammad Sarfraz Abbasi Says:

      You can check for details on http://www.hydrogenbiofuel.com under heading Hydrogen Car Creation Murree.My Vehicle makes its own fuel on board.My system derive Hydrogen from water then Derived Hydrogen is used with Nickle powder as the fuel of the Catalyser and Catalyser give Energy to run the Engine of my Vehicle Toyota Land Cruiser Prado 3000cc Engine.My vehicle is running on this system since May 9,2012 till now,which has completed 18300KM so far without any trouble.Now a days I am working on Safety.

      • Roger Bird Says:

        Muhammad, I am afraid that we are going to have to see it to believe it. One problem with what you are saying is that LENR needs so little hydrogen that 18,300 km could easily be traversed with a very small canister of hydrogen. All that effort to make hydrogen is completely unnecessary.

        I bet that you were thinking that we are a bunch of gullible nincompoops. Sorry to disappoint you, but we are all critical thinkers here, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, like us looking under the hood and seeing it run and stuff like that.

    • brucefast Says:

      C’mon Roger, you are on an LENR site. We are all a bunch of evidence ignoring pathological science loving idiots here, remember.

    • Jonathan Says:

      Nickel + hydrogen = heat
      Heat + water = motion
      Motion + magnets = electricity
      Electricity + water = hydrogen (probably a lot more than you put in, but it isn’t a perpetual motion device because you don’t get any nickel)
      hydrogen + oxygen = heat + motion in an internal combustion, gas turbine or jet engine

      Having all this in a car seems like a very Heath Robinsonesque way of doing things. It makes sense to have an LNER system producing fuel to fill up your car because internal combustion engines are quite simply the best way to power a car in terms of range and start-up time. Steam engines take about 20 minutes to warm up, and have a limited range because you need a supply of cold water. Modern steam engines improve on this a little, but they are still nowhere near the 3 second start-up time and 600 mile range of my diesel car. Electric engines solve the start-up time problem, but have a broadly similar range to steam.

      I think LNER will be used initially in heating systems, because that is the simplest thing to do with them. Next they will be used to generate electricity, then for manufacturing synthetic fuels. You can make oil from air and water, and get maybe about 50% of the energy you put in. Hook that up to an LNER powered generator, and you have practically free oil that you can put in your existing car. Once you have that, there is no need to change the design of your car, so I don’t think there is any point in researching steam powered cars.

      I also think we are quite a bit further away from a practical mass market solution than some people think. I think the best example is stem cells. People have been working on them for at least 15 years, and only in the last year or so we saw the first treatment based on it.

      • Iggy Dalrymple Says:

        No 20 minute warm-up if you keep the water hot. No need to replenish water if you have a condenser. The Cyclone steam engine is equipped with a condenser. Unlimited range, terrific torque, probably obviating need for a transmission. You might say the Cyclone isn’t ready for prime time. It’s further developed than LENR.

        My guess is that the LENR/steam car is 10 to 20 yr off.
        Sooner for boats, locomotives, and trucks.

  8. Craig Binns Says:


    In case you haven’t noticed, we’re not talking about Rossi, but about a gentleman who has a car powered by hydrogen derived from LENR, and it is running about now. Well, when I hear things like that, the word “alleged” jumps unbidden into my mind. Even if LENR exits (and that is far from proven) a car zooming about powered by it, is “alleged” until I get a bit more evidence.

    • Roger Bird Says:

      I agree 101% on the car. It is absurd. I would give it a 1% credibility, only because LENR has been proven numerous times.

      This is why we call you a pathoskeptic. Look at the evidence and then come back and chat. If I were Bruce, I would ban you until you promised and quoted places where it had been demonstrated. That still doesn’t mean that you have to believe it. But you do have to witness it. It is called being a scientist and an honest person.

  9. Craig Binns Says:


    Why, even Iggy wants a peek under the hood, and you know how trusting Iggy is. No pathosceptic he!

    • Roger Bird Says:

      Craig, you either misread my post or you deliberately misread my post, which I would not put past a genuine pathoskeptic. I would love to see under the hood, just so long as it did not cost my a cent and very much time, since I disbelieve the LENR car, yet.

    • Roger Bird Says:

      I disbelieve the car. I don’t know how I can make any simpler.

  10. Craig Binns Says:

    Sorry Roger my post crossed with your last. What nonsense you write!

    • Roger Bird Says:

      You mean the part about you being a pathoskeptic or the part about you being a pathoskeptic? LENR is proven. Your sanity, however, remains much in doubt, along with Rossi, LENR-cars, and Bigfoot.

  11. Roger Bird Says:

    Craig, I don’t understand you. There are people who are seriously saying that Joe Kennedy Jr. (the Kennedy that blew up in the flying bomb) and George H.W. Bush (41st President of the United States) are the same person and it is all a big conspiracy. I don’t believe it. But I don’t go to their website and pester them. Why are you here? And please don’t tell us that you are trying to save us from financial ruin, because that would be extremely lame and just plain false. You have some other hidden agenda, and as far as I can see, it is a psychotic agenda. And as far as I can see, you serve no useful purpose here because we here at nickelpower are sufficiently skeptical and savvy to take care of ourselves.

  12. Craig Binns Says:

    Roger, who is pestering you? I made a comment on a preposterous report of a LENR-powered car, and you go berserk and demand that I be silenced, that I am psychotic, and that I am a conspiracy theorist who believes that Joe Kennedy and George Bush are the same person and so on. And then you accuse me of having a “hidden agenda”, indicating that it is you and not I who are the conspiracy theorist.

    Well, if you can’t discuss controversial things except with people who already agree with you, you won’t get very far. And indeed you’re not getting very far. Just repeating the same old stuff, now that Rossi appears to have imploded.

    • Roger Bird Says:

      Craig, you must be a professional politician. You twist things so badly that it is unbelievable. You are either the worse reader or you are a liar. I never said most of those things.

      All I said is that you never look at the evidence, and you haven’t. And to not do so is pathological. What is the point of discussing controversial subjects when you haven’t actually looked at the subject. You think that you can silence me by telling lies, but it won’t work. Look at the phucking evidence or get lost!!! Otherwise your posts constitute pestering.

    • Roger Bird Says:

      Perhaps your response to my emails is characteristic of your brain damage. Seriously. Your response was so different from what I said that I am beginning to worry about you. Please accept my apology if you aren’t deliberately trying to be contrary and confusing. Perhaps you really are mentally unbalanced. I am sorry. It is difficult to see via email.


    • Roger Bird Says:

      Craig seems actually worse than when he was here months ago. I think that he may actually have some kind of brain disfunction, and not because he doesn’t believe in LENR. Before, the only manifestation of brain dysfunction was an unwillingness to look at the evidence, which might not even be a brain disfunction. Now he is twisting and misunderstanding what is plainly written. I am worried that I may have dumped on a disabled person. I apologize, Craig.

      • Iggy Dalrymple Says:

        Roger, go easy on the poor guy. He’s a victim of “argumentative disorder”. He was likely ostracized by the other kids on the playground. It hurts when your own mother rejects you. Even worse when your dog bites you when you try to pet him. Craig has only found camaraderie amongst other outcasts.

        Craig, whenever you’re in Blountstown, be my guest and I’ll treat you with respect and dignity.

      • Roger Bird Says:

        Iggy, it is absolutely true that for whatever reason we are all doing the best that we are able, and God knows I have so many faults that I can’t count them all.

  13. Craig Binns Says:

    Thanks Roger. Your concern is most touching.

  14. Craig Binns Says:

    Iggy, don’t overdo it, now. You’ve been warned about that before! Roger’s got he balance about right. Anyway, carry on chatting among yourselves until the big Free Energy breakthrough finally arrives. That should keep you all occupied for quite some time.

    • Roger Bird Says:

      Craig, you are deflecting again. We have no problem with disagreement. We have a problem with people not willing to look through Galileo’s telescope and then saying that there is nothing revolving around Jupiter. You deflect constantly to avoid facing the fact that you won’t look at the evidence. What are you afraid of?

  15. Iggy Dalrymple Says:

    When one finally clears his mind, it’ll be like Steve Jobs’ last words, “Wow! Wow! Wow!”

    • brucefast Says:

      Sorry Iggy, but you commented to a spam. That’s why he was clearing his mind.

      • Iggy Dalrymple Says:

        They always lead off with gushing flattery….and their username inevitably invites you to check out their webpage, but i didn’t bother.

      • brucefast Says:

        Its not about getting you to click their link, its about getting higher ratings from the search engines. One major tool the engines use is how many websites point to it.

        I do the same with this site — sort of. I produce proper, relevant comment on relevant sites, and leave a link to this website. I believe this to be fair play.

  16. Roger Bird Says:

    It’s like the I Ching. You can find meaning in it if you try real hard. It took me several sentences before I realized that it was bull.

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