Check out Dr. George Miley’s “room temperature” reactor

Dr. George Miley has an intriguing article published on the “Universities Space Research Association” website:

He claims a Deuterium and Palladium LENR reaction that requires no heat input, ergo infinite COP.  He claims that he has

In this article:  http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/nets2012/pdf/3051.pdf:

Dr. Miley claims: “350W/kg under room temperature when using deuterium (D2) gas … with Pd rich nanoparticles, producing 1479J heat, well above the maximum exothermal energy (690J) possible from all conceivable chemical reactions .

On radiation, he states:  “The reaction products are mildly radioactive such as He4 from D-D reaction and the beta decay from possible transmutation, but with their short range, both products can easily be contained.”

Don’t worry, Ian Bryce, your skepticism is safe, Dr. Miley is surely incapable of accurately measuring 1479J, its probably no more than 1476.

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36 Responses to “Check out Dr. George Miley’s “room temperature” reactor”

  1. d Says:

    great news, thanks for the post. -d

    • alaincoe Says:

      infinite COP is not magic, nor hard to reach.
      It is simply a source that can recycle it’s own energy to feed its activation energy.
      With Defkalion old claims, it is easy to have an infinite COP.
      just add an alternator (with temperature above 300, it is easy. 400 even more) and batteries tor starting (like a car!)…

      similar infinite COP devices are critical nuclear reactor, wood fire, agriculture… not new!

      • brucefast Says:

        Infinite COP is not magic. However, in the LENR world, no-one has closed the loop yet (provided the energy to feed back to make it go.) Rossi’s “self-sustain mode” is very close to infinite COP, but he does seem to be putting in a “frequency” from external power.

        Dr. Miley’s device, however, has no loop to close. As such, it is painfully hard to be skeptical of his claims. (But have no fear, Ian Bryce, your skills at denialism will find a way.)

  2. Theodore Rigley Says:

    This may be off-topic, but does anyone know whatever happened to Defkalion and Andrea Rossi, and their claims of useful, practical, abundant clean power from their respective apparently nearly identical reactors? why haven’t these taken the world by storm?

    • Mario P Says:

      Read the news at ecat.com , next winter it willlll…

    • brucefast Says:

      Mr Rigley, I don’t know how much you know about product development cycles. I read physorg.com and livescience.com all of the time. Wonderful new technologies are announced all of the time. Few ever see the light of day, but the ones that do do so a few years after their first announcement. That is the nature of the product cycle.

      I have been on the other side, as a developer. I understand the challenges. Unless a company is on the ball in all aspects of business (sufficient investment, wise money use, marketing, employee management, creative engineering, manufacturing systems development and so on) the whole thing never gets going.

      Both Rossi and Defkalion say that they have completed their basic prototype and are working on developing a manufacturing system. Rossi says that he is working with UL to get his home unit certified. Because of that long list in brackets in the previous paragraph, I am not convinced that either will have their act together sufficiently to pull it off in a year. Brillouin also claims to be heading straight to manufacturing. Though I’m not putting my money on any one of these horses, give a year and likely one of them will be through the processes. May the best all-round business win.

      • Iggy Dalrymple Says:

        Few people have the chutzpah to make things happen. Edison, Ford, Bell, and Jobs had products and chutzpah.

        Rossi has that magic because he’s put cold fusion back on the stage. Assuming he has a product, he’s has a good shot at success.

    • Bob Says:

      I have worked in 4 start-ups and it takes an incredible amount of work and a lot of luck to get to the end line. Realistically it takes about 3 years to fail or get to the point you know you have a company. That number can very wildly, depending on the degree of complexity involved. Through on top the government regulation on anything energy related and the term schedule doesn’t mean much. I have seen very promising work being tossed out because of impatient investors after a few years, likewise I know of 10 year projects that are going strong. When inventing new things, there is no normal, its what those involved can pull off.

  3. Alan DeAngelis Says:

    Great to hear some good news about a real hero.
    Perhaps we wouldn’t be worrying about Fukushima http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-alvarez/the-fukushima-nuclear-dis_b_1444146.html now if Prof. Miley didn’t have his funding cut for the “Scientific Feasibility Study of Low Energy Reactions for Nuclear Waste Amelioration” in 1999. http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue28/criticskill.html

  4. Bob Says:

    If Miley’s technology scales, a 10KW unit would weigh 63 lbs. If you built a car using 50kW (67 HP) it would way 315 lbs.

    It would be a small car but could be made quite functional.

    Double the numbers and it gets interesting. Then it gets down to cost and run-time issues.

    • Simon Derricutt Says:

      My little Renault 5 diesel car had 55 HP when it was new, 24 years ago. The engine is quite heavy at around 250lb. It is fine for most of the roads round here, where I’m limited to 90km/h (around 55mph) anyway, though it would sometimes be nice to be able to go faster of the motorways. I would be quite happy to go to an equivalent powered LENR-based car – apart from not having to pay for fuel it would be cleaner, and just as quick for most trips.

      • Iggy Dalrymple Says:

        What I most look forward to with a steam-powered car is the whistle.

      • Bob Says:

        Yes, the whistle!
        If it was like the steam tractor you posted, it would be super.

      • Simon Derricutt Says:

        Iggy – I’m sure you could rig a whistle from the exhaust pipe of your current car, with of course some way of switching it on and off. If you used the Cyclone, you would have to have a separate air-compressor for the whistle anyway.

      • Iggy Dalrymple Says:

        And I want an overhead whistle cord to pull.

      • Simon Derricutt Says:

        Iggy – check out the exhaust whistle at http://www.steam-whistles.com/faq.html . The site does seem to know where to get whistles, too.

      • Bob Says:

        That’s a great link Simon. Those look like some great Whistles. I will book mark them and may buy one, they look “cool”.

        I just need Iggy to explain what the “H” a flipper is!!

      • Bob Says:

        Iggy, I see your Rope clearly in my head. A few dice hanging from it!

        We used to put Spark plugs in our tail pipes. We came into town on a hill, kill the engine and fuel collects in the tailpipe.
        When you want, key the plug and you get a great ball of fire out the back.

        We reversed the shifters on our cars to the left side, it keep your right hand free to hug your girl friend.

      • Iggy Dalrymple Says:

        “I just need Iggy to explain what the “H” a flipper is!!”

        From a Beetle discussion board:
        Ragman Fri Oct 10, 2003 10:39 am
        ryd3r21_buGGin wrote: Wat’s a euro bug w/semaphores?

        It’s a beetle made in Europe that has semaphores…..instead of turn signals, these cars have little flippers (semaphores) that pop up.

        79SuperVert Fri Oct 10, 2003 10:43 am
        Semaphores are little arms that stick out of the car up between the front and back windows – they are old fashioned turn signals. Long since abandoned in favor of taillight turn signals. But very charming if your beetle came with them…also expensive to find.

        that one myself.

      • Bob Says:

        Iggy, I learned something today. Never new that’s what they were. Thanks!

    • brucefast Says:

      Bob, I think your 67hp is under-powered theory is in error. If there is steam or batteries in the mix, then 67 is the average horsepower, where peak horsepower may be much more. My understanding is that the average car driving down the highway uses an average of about 10 horsepower.

      We may jump up to a couple of hundred when we’re passing, or going up a hefty hill. But if we have a head of steam we can output that power for a short period, and catch up once we aren’t burning it.

      • Bob Says:

        Bruce, this is a huge subject that is constantly debated internal to car companies. The 10 HP is about right, but a little low from what I have heard. Most of the models they use are for 3k lb cars with a desire to sustain 100 mph. The start can be augmented with super capacitors, but their worst case models make this difficult with the desired acceleration. All these numbers are negotiable and that’s a huge marketing issue being fought over. It is a very interesting subject that you can find experts to quote almost any number you want. It will be interesting to see what the first LENR car characteristics are selected to be.

      • brucefast Says:

        “The 10 HP is about right, but a little low from what I have heard.” Hmmm. But 67hp should be lots and lots for sustained power, as long as we have incidental (hills & passing) power beyond that.

      • Simon Derricutt Says:

        Bruce – at the time I was looking into this last (1986) a standard saloon car (1 tonne or so) used around 10kW (13.4 HP) at 50 mph on a flat road. Improvements in aerodynamics since then would reduce this. Air drag increases as the square of the speed (approximately, anyway) so at 100mph you’d use around 40kW (54 HP) instead.

        With a bit of KERS boost for overtake (as in F1 racing cars) 40kW would thus seem adequate for most people most of the time (with speed-limits in most countries), and it’s only on long hills you’d have to go slower.

        As Bob says, it’s going to be much-debated. I hope they stop debating it and start making some affordable cars instead. The Tesla sports car is only for rich people who want to make a statement – not really a benefit.

  5. Iggy Dalrymple Says:

    Cool!

    In ’57 I bought a 56 VW Cabriolet in Hamburg and shipped it back to the US. It has solenoid actuated flippers for turn signals. I enjoyed startling the co-eds (girls) at Florida State with my flippers. Nobody had ever seen a Beetle in Blountstown. I told my friends it was a German sportscar. The speedometer read in KPH. I took my friends for a ride across the big river bridge. I was going 100 kph, with the top down. My friends were begging me to slow down.

  6. Iggy Dalrymple Says:

    Close your eyes and enjoy>

  7. jdp Says:

    Geez why so snide ” Don’t worry, Ian Bryce, your skepticism is safe, Dr. Miley is surely incapable of accurately measuring 1479J, its probably no more than 1476″

    I’m sure if he offers Miley a million dollars he will accept. Bryce was sincere he didn’t want people getting ripped off.

    • brucefast Says:

      Oh, I guess the link to Ian Bryce is a little obtuse. He recently made this comment: http://nickelpower.org/2012/01/31/inadvertent-miswiring-of-leads-is-the-cause/#comment-10956

      In his comment he states:

      Secondly to reply to Brucefast – the “replicators” claimed powers are so small, eg 18 milliW … Such tiny powers are obtained by subtracting away almost equal quantities – easily explained in terms of measurement noise, minor chemical effects, selection of the best results, and wishful thinking.

      Ian Bryce is a guy with a bachelor’s degree who thinks he is god’s gift to skepticism (Australian Skeptic Society.) He therefore claims himself to be qualified to dismiss the works of the scientists listed in replicators.

      You decide. Read replicators and decide who you more believe, the Ph.D. Scientists working at world renown scientific institutions, or some guy with a bachelor’s whose lives underneath the world.

    • Iggy Dalrymple Says:

      Bryce was sincere he didn’t want people getting ripped off.

      “The desire to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it” — H L Mencken

      The road to hell is paved with Good Samaritans. – William Holden

    • Simon Derricutt Says:

      jdp – Ian Bryce is sincere, but he’s fixated on the idea that LENR has to be faked since otherwise what he has learned will not be true. He is biased towards not-belief despite the evidence, whereas the “correct” scientific approach is to challenge the evidence very hard and, if it still stands up, to change your beliefs as to what is true or not.

      I wouldn’t agree with Bruce’s disparagement of Ian Bryce on the basis of formal qualifications, since these often bear no relationship to a person’s knowledge and the amount of effort applied in gaining it. I agree with Bruce that Ian Bryce can’t have read the evidence, or that if he has then he’s ignored the bits he thinks are wrong – even though they have been measured by honest scientists who have nothing to gain and a lot to lose by publishing such heretical measurements.

      Science often depends on measuring accurately the small differences between two large quantities. Ian Bryce has not appreciated the lengths these scientists have gone to to eliminate the errors and thus be certain of the results. He thus has not read the reports with understanding, and thus remains a skeptic. Bruce’s comment was not snide, but more of a challenge to Ian to put more effort into understanding how the results are achieved and what it means once they are scaled up to humanly-useful kilowatts.

      Nuclear fission was declared by Rutherford to have no conceivable use, since the amount of energy generated was so small as to be negligible in normal life. Put a few tonnes into a core, though, and we have megawatt-sized reactors that are useful. The same scaling-factors will apply to LENR, but first we have to understand how to best drive it.

  8. Dave Babcock Says:

    Re Steam in cars –
    I have a vision of my near descendants laboring in their garages, to upgrade their otherwise nearly useless autos to steam. The great American Auto Love Story extended into the post gas age. With new bi-lobe cams the gas engine can live again. Well, new cams and a bunch of other stuff… LENR boiler… condenser (or the fuel tank full of water)…

    Ol’ Bab

  9. Iggy Dalrymple Says:

    Just stumbled on this:

    George Miley working on 3KW and 30KW LENR designs
    September 21, 2012

    George Miley

    Infinite Energy has a report on the Williamsburg, Virginia LENR conference (International Low Energy Nuclear Reactions Symposium ILENRS-12) that was held at William and Mary College. The report is interesting on a number of fronts with researchers correlating excess heat with measured nuclear reaction byproducts, theoretical advancements, and more discussion about the conditions necessary to achieve LENR.

    News has been somewhat sparse on Dr. George Miley’s work with his company Lenuco, which has the goal of developing a commercial LENR product. If I understand this report correctly, it suggests that Miley’s results demonstrate a COP of 7 after a few minutes but rises to a COP of 70 over 4 hours. However, it appears that the nanoparticles he is using begin to break down after 4 hours. They are working on methods to try to overcome this problem and already have conceptual designs for a 3KW home unit and 30KW industrial unit. http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2012/09/21/george-miley-working-3kw-30kw-lenr-designs/

    Sounds like he may need to try a fluidized reactor.

    • Simon Derricutt Says:

      Iggy – thanks I hadn’t seen that one. Miley is generally pretty quiet, but this shows he’s getting close to a successful product. He may indeed have success with a fluidised bed and a feed of new particles – possibly keeping the temperature lower, too. Nanoparticles start to sinter around 200°C lower than bulk metal, so better control of temperature (fluidised bed) could make the fuel last longer.

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