Brillouin better get a move on

Robert Godes, “Understanding how LENR works will enable us to be first.”

This from our most reliable source, pesn.  However, Godes’ case is that though Rossi has claimed the sale of a 1Mw plant, delivery has not been confirmed.  Further he has hardly released a commercial product — or even proven conclusively that he has a technology.

Defkalion has made high promises, but hasn’t been the greatest at delivering.  They did promise formal reports from their 7 independent sources by the end of April, but, well, you know.   Defkalion’s plans to license the ability to create their product doesn’t leave me feeling like they’ll be commercial any year soon.

While Brillouin (http://brillouinenergy.com) does have a very crisp air of scientific validity to them, I haven’t been able to find publication of their independent validation either.  (They claim that Los Alamos National Laboratories and SRI have validated their work.)  However, it would appear that they don’t even have something that resembles a manufacture-ready prototype.  So if Brillouin proves to be first it’ll be because the other guys have either been shoveling it to us real bad, or  bumped into a whole lot of issues.  That said, maybe Brillion will be brave enough to provide “the proof”.

In conclusion, if Rossi really has a small unit in the hands of UL, and if UL doesn’t throw a mighty wrench in the system, and if Rossi really has developed a team of robots to build the things, and if … then Rossi is very likely to be first.  However Rossi and “if” are well familiar with each other.

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29 Responses to “Brillouin better get a move on”

  1. Bob Says:

    Who crosses the commercialization line first is a huge issue. They bet on everything in the UK. I wonder if they have odds on the 3 most likely parties. Have to ask Simon to check the bookies next time he gets a chance.
    My bet is still defkalion.

    • Simon Derricutt Says:

      Bob – I’ve never been in a betting shop – to make a profit you need to know a lot about horses or football or whatever it is. Also I’m not in the UK any longer. You’re right, though, that it’s possible to bet on nearly anything.

      If I were to place a bet, it would be on Defkalion. Someone is bound to follow in the States once the first product is out. I’d like to say Brillouin have a good chance, but they do seem to be stuck at the experimental stage rather than commercialising it.

      The dark horse in all this is NASA. They have some patents, after all, and could have gotten further than they are publishing.

      • Wini Says:

        I think, that the winner will be somebody else. My dark horse is any Japan corporation. Japan have to turn off they nuclear power plants. Mitsubishi -Toyota are working on LENR/CF matter (under personal attencion of emperor of Japan).

      • Iggy Dalrymple Says:

        “I think, that the winner will be somebody else. My dark horse is any Japan corporation. Japan have to turn off they nuclear power plants. Mitsubishi -Toyota are working on LENR/CF matter (under personal attencion of emperor of Japan).”

        Good point. Germany has also claimed to have sworn off nuclear.

  2. Brad Arnold Says:

    Defkalion seems like it will be first, but then they are not going to sell it in the US because of licensing hurtles.

    The more I think of it, using LENR to transmute (LENT) like Mitsubishi plans to develop could be the answer to legitimizing LENR (it is already done in fission reactors, but then the resale value of the transmuted product is drastically lower because it comes out radioactive).

    Incidentally, Brillouin’s LENR theory about protons turning into neutrons is where LENT is coming from, because that is what happens in fission reactors – by bombarding elements with neutrons, they transmute into other elements.

  3. Simon Derricutt Says:

    Brad – LENT has been around since around 1926. Look at Larsen’s presentation http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/cfakepathlattice-energy-llc-len-rs-in-liion-battery-firesjuly-16-2010 page 58 for Nagaoka’s production of Gold by electrolysing transformer oil. He probably got the wrong idea as to what was really happening, but he did produce the Gold and did publish his results.

    • Bob Norman Says:

      Wow – that is an incredibly good paper. This is one I need to read 3 or 4 times and take notes. Good find! I thought I had seen everything on this subject on slideshare, but must have missed a key search term.

      • Simon Derricutt Says:

        Larsen has done a lot of work in searching out past examples of LENR that wasn’t recognised as such at the time. He thus provides a lot of pointers as to what works and what doesn’t, and why. I have great respect for the amount of work he’s put in, and I’m grateful for what he has published.

  4. Iggy Dalrymple Says:

    New claims from Rossi on high temp and stability.

    Joseph Fine
    May 5th, 2012 at 7:56 AM

    Ing. Rossi:

    Glad to hear the very good news about your achievement in reaching a sustained increase in temperature: “a revolution in the revolution”.

    Congrats. If you get to 360 degrees, that would be a complete revolution. ;^)

    As you know, ‘Success’ comes before ‘Work’….only in the dictionary.

    Thermal regards,

    Joseph Fine
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Andrea Rossi
    May 5th, 2012 at 8:38 AM

    Dear Dr Joseph Fine:
    I agree.
    It’s Saturday, but today and tomorrow we will work 24 hours a day on the reactor we have made here in the USA: we have stabilized it at very high temperatures…and when I say very high I mean it. We understood the reason of the instability, so now the work is going on hard.
    Warmest Regards,
    A.R.

    • brucefast Says:

      This certainly has the air of excitement in it. It therefore sounds legitimate and hopeful. However, whenever Rossi says something, I take out my salt shaker — the hazards of not being a true straight shooter.

      • Iggy Dalrymple Says:

        Unfortunately, the claimed breakthrough only applies to the industrial unit.

        Andrea Rossi
        May 5th, 2012 at 5:44 PM

        Dear Hergen:
        No, for the domestic the safety issues are still prohibitive, but for the industrial applications we made a gigantic step forward.
        Warm Regards,
        A.R.

      • brucefast Says:

        I’m actually glad that Rossi isn’t re-engineering his home unit yet again. One of the biggest challenges that inventors face is that they keep coming up with improvements, resulting in never having anything get finished. The home unit Rossi has been describing is absolutely fantastic for many real-world situations — like the heating of my sub-arctic home.

    • Simon Derricutt Says:

      I suppose at 360° he could have his pi and eat one since he has two….

      I wonder why the industrial unit is different? I would have thought he’d be using the same techniques, but scaled.

      • Dave Babcock Says:

        I thought it pretty clear- the domestic unit is safe but low temperature, not suitable for steam power. The industrial one will generate super-heated steam at high pressure, but this makes it unsafe for home use (no licensed engineer on duty).

        Ol’ Bab

      • Iggy Dalrymple Says:

        Yet, even before the “breakthrough”, Rossi spoke of planning to offer a steam driven heat-pump option for the domestic unit. A gen-set doesn’t sound much more difficult than a heat-pump.

    • oleprospector Says:

      Rossi appears to have wiped these comments from his blogsite…

  5. Bob Says:

    Here are some pictures just posted of defkalion. Interesting.

    http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/2012-05_StatusPicturesFinal.pdf

  6. Bob Says:

    After seeing their setup, its obvious they are just starting. I don’t think we will see production this year.

  7. Bob Says:

    Here is a link to an article on Brillouin’s patent rejection and how the patent office is still viewing things. At this rate, there will be products shipping with no patent protection. Lawyers, sharpen your pencils!

    http://coldfusionnow.org/?p=18621

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