Comments on: Real news from Defkalion

By: Iggy Dalrymple

Iggy Dalrymple — Sun, 13 May 2012 19:05:40 +0000

Is that some sort of secret catalyst?

By: hillrj

hillrj — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 23:17:58 +0000

They have all the European certificates. Everyone else in the world recognises the EU certificates, except the United States.

Regarding licensing of domestic electric and/or gas appliances in Australia and New Zealand. EU certificates are NOT automatically recognised in Australia and New Zealand.
A device based on an unknown physical principle is unlikely to be approved for use in ANZ. I asked if the same for UL. Answer: unlikely to be approved. Not discussed was the existence in the device of temperatures over 1000 degrees, Do you think this would make it more likely to be approved?

By: Roger Bird

Roger Bird — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:08:48 +0000

Actually, our minds are completely open, but we go back and review everything that we (or others) experience with a little discrimination.

Go ahead, offer me the Brooklyn Bridge. I might even listen, for a while anyway.

By: brucefast

brucefast — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:59:09 +0000

Roger, please don’t let your mind be open to too much. You might find that you own a bridge in Brooklyn.

By: alaincoe

alaincoe — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:59:01 +0000

@brad arnold

They is for Defkalion (He is for Rossi 8> )

DGT have a version of their reactor using molten salt that they plan to market (I never say they refuse to sell it).
it seems more expensive, and need a different pump and plumbing. until 350C they use synthetic oil (alkyl aromatic), an then molten salt

molten sodium is another case since it can explode.
Lead seems not to be a good idea since they try to respect EU REACH regulation against toxic product (their radiation screen is heavy plastic, not lead). they did not talk of that ideas, and I use them as example, from the new nuclear technology.

so yes, read the spec, the 350-415C is one of the temperature range targeted in November specifications.
for “serie D” 10-45kW industrial reactor, with molten salts.

it is true that other reactors at targeted at lower temperatures (185C, 285C), but it seems to be first linked to the max power , then to marketing targets and complexity of high pressure plumbing…

anyway it is old specification, and they seems to have discovered new catalyst, and increased the temperature range (650C?900C), so maybe there will be new series E & F for high temperatures applications… some for superheated steam…

By: brucefast

brucefast — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:52:00 +0000

But who wants a presidential campaign that is pegged with a “pathological science” label. The presidential campaign cannot pick up on LENR in a serous way until there is no longer any question of its legitimacy. At that point both parties will be on the same band wagon in a huge way. It may, however, be a great tool for cutting through the red tape of bureaucracy.

Could you imagine a world where Defkalion was selling a device in Europe, but wouldn’t sell in the USA? Could you imagine a world where Rossi says that it can’t get certification, but the Europeans can? Could you imagine the presidential candidates bending over every which way to rectify this dilemma, nay crisis!

By: Roger Bird

Roger Bird — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:30:25 +0000

I got this from a spiritually oriented listserv, believe it or not:

After seeing this, my mind is open to just about anything.

By: brucefast

brucefast — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:17:30 +0000

Brad,
To change the world, 250c is PLENTY! Give these things 20 years and they will look nothing like the products that either Defkalion or Rossi is putting out.

By: Greg Goble

Greg Goble — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:40:20 +0000

The U.S. Presidential electon may see LENR machinery as an election platform plank. Who will announce that their election will usher in an administration that will end oil, coal, natural gas fracking, tar sands, pipelines, deep water oil leases, deforestation for charcoal, parkland energy resource development encroachment, while bringing in a global warming solution and much much more?

By: Brad Arnold

Brad Arnold — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 10:26:39 +0000

“they already have designed a version that work until 415C by using molten salt fluid.”

“i understand that defkalion refuse to use molten sodium, or lead-bismuth alloy…”

Who are “they” in the first quote alaincoe?

“…nonsense about needing a “different fluid” to get higher temperatures because if they haven’t got swapped out an improved fluid yet it is meaningless.”

“I don’t understand you comment about fluid.”

My comment about fluid that I quoted here is a comment that if Defkalion has a “different fluid,” then they ought to use it. It is meaningless to say on the one hand they have a “different fluid” that could allow the LENR generator to run at 350C (dry steam), but that they are not using it. Either they have it or not.

One last question alaincoe: you say that “they” have already designed a version that work until 415C by using molten salt, but then you say that Defkalion refuses to use molten salt. Again with the disconnect – either Defkalion can run their LENR at 415C or not, and either they have a different fluid from the one they are using to run their LENR generator at 300C or not. Which is it??