The impact of NFE on recreation

by Anony Mole

What new recreational activity would you do if you had a backpack power station?

• Remote location music and movie studios would be possible.


• Hot showers and electricity while backpacking in the wilderness.
• Jet-ski across the Atlantic.
• Non-stop motocross races that spanned continents.
• LENR Powered air-gliders flying down the coast of Africa.
• Energy boosted frameworks for disabled folks. Think “Big Dog” from Boston Dynamics. So far Big Dog is seriously constrained by energy delivery. Ding! Cured.
• Scuba vehicles and tow-fish.
• Refrigeration while camping in the desert.
• Power for running gold dredges or charging metal detector batteries.

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19 Responses to “The impact of NFE on recreation”

  1. Bob Says:

    I would be interested in a power glider, the single engines with a kite foil. They are fun but those little engines fail so much and you fall like a rock when it happens. With a good steam engine, I would be tempted to go across the US with one.
    I knew a guy that used to fly them, but he quit when people started shooting at him. I guess noise was a big issue. A quiet version would be a must.
    It would be great to put better motors in sail boats. Nothing worse than being at sea and can’t go if you lose your wind. Fighting outgoing tide in a channel can be a problem. Small sailboats cant get into San Fransisco when the tide is going out, they have to wait about 12 hours to get back in. I better motor where you don’t store fuel would be ideal.
    Motorcycling would be great without the worry of the next fuel stop.

  2. brucefast Says:

    My freezer is empty, I would love to fill it this fall with a moose or a bison. One challenge with hunting is that the vehicles required to get to the good hunting sites are noisy. I would love to have access to a quad, a snowmobile, or a small boat that were QUIET! I believe that the noise of motors will all but disappear in the coming NFE world.

    • Simon Derricutt Says:

      I _think_ I can get a “flying carpet” technology sorted, but it needs electricity so will need a quiet LENR to electricity converter. Don’t wait on this to go hunting, though, or you’ll go hungry this year. Snow shoes are quite quiet….

      Most of the recreational uses are going to need such an LENR to electricity converter. With a chainsaw, for example, you can quieten the exhaust using careful acoustics, but the only practical power source at the moment is a petrol (gasoline) engine. Trailing a power cord can be very dangerous in the woods.

      Once LENR is working we need that converter to get electrical power. With a very small light chip-sized LENR reactor and something like the Powerchip technology (once they get it right) the whole thing becomes practical – small and powerful electric motors are already available, and a physically small and light driver unit can be produced. Before the solid-state converter comes online, some form of air-cycle motor would do the job.

      • brucefast Says:

        I actually think that using steam power such as cyclone power is offering can power the devices I mentioned. Direct heat to electricity conversion — thermoelectric — offers potential for very small devices such as chainsaws. But in the 10+ horsepower zone, my bet is on steam power, at least in the short term.

      • Alain Says:

        imagining LENR reactor in a chainsaw is not the best option.
        it is the typical reasoning one have following currents established design.

        in fact for me the best idea could be to have the site battery chargers. Users install in the forest an LENR generator to charge quickly a dozen of battery.
        electric chainsaw use battery in the tree, and change the battery after some time, like they refil their gas today…

        battery will became like today jerrycan. the LENR generator will be like the gas tank you bring in the forest for your chainsaw.

        another possibility is also, not event to put the battery in the chainsaw, but on yourself, on your belt, with a cable following your arm(s). it will make very light chainsaw, like cabled electric chainsaw, but with no long cable..

        new energy mean changing the usual design.

        for car , by example, I imagine that hybrids LENR/electric would be nice, but with different compromise. battery will have only to sustain short time variation of power (startup, accelerations, braking, pause), and have no interest in long storage.

        same for classic electric cars, that stupidly keep and charge their battery, while it would be smarter to change like diligence change their horse pack.

        even the gris have to change is everybody use CHP.
        even CHP have to change if electricity from the grid is more expensive than local produced… for example a house should try to produce as much as possible of electricity, reusing part of the heat of it for heating of cooling (via absorption refrigerator), but wasting part of it outside like any power plant. maybe even there could be a thermal grid exchanging heat and cold in the neighborhood…

        also wasted heat could be used for home greenhouse farming, pool warming, water treatment, or be stored for later…

        new energy, new design.be carful of not replicating obsolete solutions.

      • Simon Derricutt Says:

        Alain – I’m envisioning a LENR+generator that is lighter than the current battery – it will be made in future. There are other methods of battery storage, but they are something extra to manufacture/maintain. If it is not needed, and the power is there instantaneously when required, the only reason for a battery is to allow extra peaks of power above average. This power surge could also be handled using a storage capacitor which is current technology.

  3. Anony Mole Says:

    Emergency power may be a great first mover for LENR. Like a Honda generator, self contained, portable, long lasting and robust, a LENR generator could be used power all kinds of “on demand” energy needs. I’d wager that the Red Cross and other humanitarian/disaster relief organizations would buy thousands of them today were they available.
    Emergency use in IT data centers for data backup is another. Facebook’s Prineville facility and Google’s Dalles installation all have huge diesel generators, just-in-case. These niche modular stand-alone power uses might be just the ticket to get LENR started in a quiet revolution. Emergency power in recreational boating is a great one +Bob.

  4. Bob Norman Says:

    I was thinking of all the permutations of Bruce’s Moose hunting. Maybe put out a heater to draw the animals in, put it there for a week or two spewing out heat, the animals will find it and stay near the heaters. When it comes time for a moose sandwich, just grab your gun and go see what is available at the heater.
    I used to get so cold when duck or geese hunting. I bet small little heaters would sell big to the hunting crowd. Maybe special cloths that had heat ducts to keep you warm. It would also work for football games.

    It would be great if small packs could inject hot air or warm water into diving suits. For professional divers, cold is a huge problem, maybe even convert water to oxygen so you don’t need tanks. Unlimited oxygen supply for divers. With the heat and Oxygen, we could all go to Alaska and mine the gold in the rivers and ocean. In place of big boats ripping up the sea bed, individual divers could go down and harvest the minerals.

    I wonder who will be the first to walk across the ocean underwater?

    • Simon Derricutt Says:

      Bob – good set of ideas, and it points to miniature power-packs being the way to go. You don’t need it to last 6 months for that – a week would be good and one where you change the chip daily would be quite adequate.

  5. Brad Arnold Says:

    For the longest time I’ve been waiting for a remote power generator for heat and electricity that would enable a person to live in a vehicle. WIth enough power you can even do sewage and water treatment.

    In general, one of the biggest changes LENR will bring about is demographics, where people will be able to live virtually anywhere (i.e. off the main grid).

    • Bob Norman Says:

      I would love to see small generators. I could use a dozen of them right now on the farm. I spend $1000 a month on pumps for irrigation, they would pay for themselves very quick. The state has weird water right rules. I have some wells that I must use or I lose the water rights, so every so often I turn on the pumps and waste water and get the privilege of higher electric bills. With my own power source these type of issue go away, they can’t monitor my every move. Energy independence mean a whole lot more than money.

    • Anony Mole Says:

      Let’s see, Bruce lives in the Great White North, Mr. Norman lives on a farm (or at least works on one). Who else is nature’s bounty oriented here? Not me I’m sad to say. Two books I recommend – “Growing a farmer” and “Omnivore’s Dilemma” for you both. “Weird water rights”, hmm, sounds like you’re in the west somewhere. Are you getting sued to save the run-off from your home gutters? (Denver).

      • Bob Norman Says:

        Anony, I live in Oregon and they are insane with their regulations. I lived in Washington State and was very happy to move away. While Oregon is bad, they aren’t in the same league as Washington. Everyone pays big taxes to handle the run off. Everything is declared a wetland and you can’t use the land. If you pay huge fees, then it is magically OK. I could sit all tell stories for hours about dealing with the county land management, i suspect you wouldn’t believe my stories. The state has a real push to make all rural location be 15 acres or at least 5 in most cases. They are trying to keep people from spreading out on the land. Call me crazy, but it sure looks like agenda 21. I have some real issues here, but prefer not to make them public. Escalating issues with government just isn’t smart.

      • Simon Derricutt Says:

        I have a small vineyard (3 acres or so of vines, 8 acres total) in the South-west of France. France has a lot of regulations… it’s famous for it, but down here they are a bit more relaxed about it. Electricity is cheaper than in the UK – it’s 80% nuclear here, but of course the true costs of Uranium fission (setup, running, disposal/reprocessing of waste) are subsidised by the government (read: us, the people) in order to get bomb-making materials. There are 6 different rates for electricity, depending upon time of day and month, and it’s one of my biggest bills.

        In general here I think that the environmental regulations are good. Basically it’s a matter of not polluting the ground-water and environment – don’t shit in your own back-yard. All my waste-water ends up in the vines, so it needs to be well-treated first and I’m careful with the cleaning products I use.

        Cheaper electricity for me would mean less time chopping wood for heating in winter and a cleaner house. An LENR-powered tractor would make mowing more pleasant rather than getting fumes from the Diesel. LENR-powered cars and trucks would reduce the noise from the road outside my house. There would be a lot of personal benefits from this technology – it’s worth working towards getting it functional as soon as possible.

      • Bob Says:

        Simon, I’m a big environmentalist, but I believe in sanity. My wife and daughter ran a Garden Center in Washington. The County made me move the master valve 3 times in one year at $1000 a move because they couldn’t decide where was the easiest for them to check it. I wanted to build another green house on the 5 acres we had. I had to do a $5000 study of the affects of the runoff. The 5 acres were in the middle of fields with no impact on anything. They decided I could build it, but at half the size I applied for. Six months later I built another green house to meet our needs without going through all their BS. They fined me $200 for breaking the rules, but I saved a lot by not doing all their studies. I wanted to put up a small, very small water tower, but it had to be engineered to withstand a 7 point earth quake. There were no building or anything even close to it. They always had constant demands for everything. After I sold the business out of frustration I added up the cost of doing business with the county and it averaged $40,000 a year above the normal taxes and permits.
        There was a church a mile down the road that didn’t have bathrooms, so we allowed then to drop by and use our facilities. You guessed it, when the county found out they made me upgrade my septic tank to accommodate the 250 people that went to the church. In discussions with the engineer, I had to be able to handle the full capacity of everyone on a Sunday stopping in to use the facilities. This was just a $10k cost for being a good neighbor. This kind of thing occurred weekly.
        You mentioned using wood! Not for a business, not allowed.
        I always went out of my way using filters and traps to be environmentally friendly. Oh yes, I had to build a big pond to be wet land compliant, in a state that rains 80% of the time.

      • Simon Derricutt Says:

        Bob, I believe in sanity too, and it sounds like those regulations are insane. I would have been pretty pissed-off with them too. Luckily they are quite sane here, and it seems to work very well.

  6. AstralProjectee Says:

    I would be on the computer all day. LOL Just kidding.

    The most important thing is that people will have time for recreational activities. Other than that I would set up a shower like this but better.

    Since realizing the LENR reality, I have come to the realization that many will travel to other places to get high or trip legally. They will possibly make boats or set up an island to as just someplace to legally take psychedelics or similar things. The cost will be cheap enough that anyone could do it and get high for little to no money and not have to worry about the law. These psychedelic resorts will become hot spots for all kinds of psychedelics, even designer psychedelics will be used. As time goes by research will be done more and more into psychedelics. It will become the norm to go to these places and once we come to realize the therapeutic potential of these things, they will become legal at least medically.

    I would meditate a lot more.

    Would also retire early and seek the meaning of life.

    Peace!

    • Bob Says:

      Don’t know about the getting high legally aspect of what you said, but I think you could see floating Islands that would operate out of territorial water and act as their own country with their own rules. I see Casinos being a big use and for groups that want to be independent of regulations. With cheap fuel floating Islands that they show in science magazines could be real.

  7. Iggy Dalrymple Says:

    good stuff

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